Thursday, March 27, 2008

Sri Sri, Osho and Hindu-Muslim polemics


D R V Acharya examines how Islamic scholar Zakir Naik misled Islamic hordes on Hinduism
First, this is a long article and second I am not a follower of Osho Rajneesh. But I have admired his works and I stop my admiration when the symptoms of greed and materialism becomes evident in his teachings. I like religious, secular and spiritual leaders who have a strong sense of humanism, individuality and service and I felt Rajneesh although he had a strong empathetic social consciousness he never did any practical welfare work for the betterment of society. Rajneesh despite his deep insights into the human condition became a victim of greed and got cut off from the world by his solipsistic tendencies. He eventually became an Ivory tower philosopher albeit an intelligent and colorful one. I have loved reading especially his discourses on the diverse mystical traditions of the world. I also admire his talent of public speaking and his irreverence to religious and political authority. Osho had the guts to critically examine hallowed and respected ideas and people. On most occasions in his public life he exhibited sound reasoning and conveyed extraordinary insights into the human condition.
I recently happened to bump across a website about an Islamic speaker Dr. Zakir Naik and his talks on the concept of God in different religions. Zakir Naik also had a dialogue with the popular self help guru Sri Sri Ravishankar. Although it was termed a dialogue, it turned out to be more of a debate with Zakir Naik pronouncing his typical clich├ęd Islamic rhetoric with a full fledged debunking of polytheists and idol worshippers. Zakir Naik also picked on Sri Sri Ravishankar for publishing a book on comparative Islam and Hinduism. This book had Sri Sri Ravishankar comparing some Islamic ideas and concepts and claiming that it originated from Hindu culture. Sri Sri Ravishankar not anticipating the confrontation tried to play it down and looked like he wanted to rush back to the cave in his Ashram. He also was openly apologetic about the publication of this book and tried to escape from the awkward situation by claiming that this book was printed in a hurry and it was written with an intent of bringing the two religious communities closer in the context of a Muslim-Hindu riot. He also pledged that he would not allow printing of further copies of the book.
Sri Sri Ravishankar is not generally known for his discursive thinking and intellect and his big strength is his emotional appeal to people based on personal charisma and the excellent PR machinery of his organization. Many a times he has goofed up on public platforms. I had once attended a seminar on ‘Science and Conciousness’ in the Indian Institute of Science and evidenced first hand Sri Sri Ravishankar talking utterly irrelevant things. The other eminent speakers on the podium like the Nobel Laureate Charles Townes (inventor of the laser and maser), the mathematician Roger Penrose and Zoologist Jane Goodall were visibly disturbed by his lack of erudition and grasp of what was being talked about. Sri Sri Ravishankar was also rubbished on stage by the renowned artist and film script writer Javed Akthar. On another occassion Sri Sri wrote an article in a national newspaper comparing Marxism with the teachings of the Bhagwad Gita. He was again rubbished by a lot of readers for his utter lack of understanding of the ‘Dialectical Materialism’ of Marx (he was not aware and never even mentioned anything about this in the article) or the Vedantic teachings of Bhagvad Gita. He was just content in stating simplistic homilies.
Coming back to the the ‘Concept of God’ dialogue, Sri Sri Ravishankar completely misjudged the tenor of the whole programme. The audience were predominantly Muslim and were asking well orchestrated and pre-determined questions which I thought came from the medieval missionary polemic against Hinduism. It took sometime for me to realize that at this age and time there are still majority of the people who do fervently believe in such religious jingoism.Sri Sri Ravishankar’s soft stand and unwillingness to debate and confront put him in an awkward position in the programme.
Zakir Naik is well versed in the art of islamic rhetoric and he is quite capable of mesmerizing his Muslim and other unthinking audiences into deception with confusing, illogical and fallacious arguments. Herd instinct is clearly evident in his followers. He makes up for his lack of critical thinking, scientific and rational sense by parroting and quoting by memory verses from religious books and scriptures by their chapter, page, verse and line numbers. This is taken as a sign of scholarship by his flock. He usually receives standing ovation from the Muslim audience whenever he indulges in these theatrics.
My amusement in this debate became more acute when the debater Zakir Naik put poor Osho Rajneesh to the Islamic litmus test, Surah Ikhlas or the touchstone of islamic theology. This Quranic verse or Sura mentions that God is without equal, without origin, without end, and unlike anything else that exists. This is the definition of Allah in the Quran and every other concept of God is weighed against this to create a semantic game to establish that this concept of god is the supreme most. Rajneesh had no defenders in there so it was an one sided debate with the final judgement of fallibility on Osho pronounced by Zakir Naik. Sri Sri Ravishankar was also apologetic about Rajneesh and he appealed to the audience not to judge other holy men like himself using Rajneesh as the yard stick.
In this article I am trying to defend Rajneesh and eastern traditions against the polemics of the Islamic theologians. My intention of writing this article is because it is clear to me that the worldview and the value system espoused by Osho Rajneesh is far advanced and higher as compared to the value system of the old religions in general and Islam in specific. Rajneesh believed in peace, love, celebration, individuality, freedom of speech and enquiry. He encouraged people to challenge archaic values and traditions. His overall value system is quite humanistic, secular and rational as compared to the narrow parochial values espoused in religions like Islam.
Our scholar Zakir Naik begins his diatribe against Osho Rajneesh with the tone of abhorrence to the Indian godmen and pronounces his judgement before explaining the targeted person’s point of view. Picking Rajneesh is kind of very funny because Rajneesh believed in what can be called a Vedantic or quasi pantheistic God. He borderlined on atheism many times. Rajneesh’s god as can be evidenced from his voluminous discourses is akin to Spinoza’s god to some extent. Osho’s God is not the Allah or a personal God at all, and his system provides no reason for the revelatory status of the Bible or Quran or Vedas or of any religion for that matter. Osho identifies his concept of God with Nature and like Spinoza he employed a reductionist scientism while retaining some traditional eastern terminology. Zakir Naik claims himself to be a student of comparative religion but it is plainly obvious that his knowledge of the Eastern religions is very very superficial and about Osho, he believes what he wants to believe rather than what the Oshoietes or Hindus or Buddhists or Taoists or Jains believe. Also to put things in perspective, although Rajneesh’s worldview is quite similar to Hindu, Buddhist & Taoist worldview he never claimed to be a Hindu either by birth or by conviction. He was born a Jain and remained an eclectic. So to pick on him in a debate on the concept of God in Hinduism and Islam is in the first place wrong. Zakir Naik’s claim that the followers of Osho Rajneesh called him almighty god shows his profound ignorance of Osho Rajneesh, his followers and his teaching and also his ignorance of the concept of god in eastern traditions. The Islamic religion like Christianity and Judaism is based on man’s blind and obedient response to a divine revelation in the form of a book, the Quran. Quran is a medieval text inspired by the arabic god Allah to his last and final messenger Muhammad. The god of Islam is in principle similar to a Monarch who creates and rules the world with a set of laws. The concept of God in Islam is of a God who is apart from the universe and who is a skillful maker of the world. This God stands apart from the world and like a medieval monarch rules the incidents of the world and judges you on the judgement day based on the code of conduct as created in the holy book. You are sent to either heaven or hell based on your submission to the will of Allah and the adherence to the code of conduct as depicted in the Quran. Allah in Islam has no form or can never be depicted. However Allah is depicted through similes and metaphors like Allah is Akbar, ie great or Allah is Rahman or compassionate. The not so subtle Islamic theologians fail to grasp that even ‘figures’ of speech are depictions and are a form of idolatry. Idolatry is very much existent in Islam although in a veiled format. Islam is replete with symbols which are held sacrosanct and any blasphemy to those symbols are not treated kindly by the Muslim diaspora around the world. It is sacrilegious in Islam to picturize or idolize God but the attachment to symbols is quite evident in Islam and it is much more than what is present in the so called condemned pagan idolatrous religions. For example the Islamic prayer is only in Arabic it cant be localized in any other languages. All muslims bow their heads towards mecca for their prayer. Allah is an extremely localized god. So to compare a localized god with localized rituals to the concept of Vedantic Brahman which has no name, form and which permeates all existence is like as they say comparing chalk with cheese. The Islamic scholars are morbidly against idolatry in other religions but the mote in their own eye they seeth not.
Zakir Naik’s claim that Muslims are the culmination of Vedantic teachings of non idolatry is ridiculous to say the least. The intent of the Vedantic assertion about the sadhaka or the person on the vedantic path leaving behind all the idols and symbols means the sacrifice and trancendence of all those constructs of thought like symbols, idols and ideologies to realize the unconditioned consciousness, the eternal which can never be limited by thought which is just memory and the past. In the early part of the previous century people witnessed an enlightened person Baghwan Ramana Maharishi who had no need for any rituals, images, symbols or holy texts and he abided all the time in his true nature which is pure consciousness. When Vedantists talk about the culmination or the embodiment of their tradition they refer to a person like Ramana Maharishi. I wonder what the Muslim practice of non-idolatry has got to do with this state. This clearly shows that self proclaimed scholars like Zakir Naik have absolutely no clue about what Vedanta is all about. His understanding of Vedanta is totally flawed and he is content in just picking up those verses from the Upanishads and Bhagwad Gita which depict the (so called) monotheistic principle of Brahman and which is in some ways similar to the concept of Allah. There is a huge difference between the Monism (even dualism or qualified monism) of the Vedanta to the monotheistic belief in a Sky God like Allah. Monism is the acknowledgement of oneness of the universal principle of consciousness or Brahman.
What is the concept of god according to Vedanta. The Upanishads talk of Brahman as Sat-Chit-Ananda which is truth-consciousness-bliss. The Brahman is both unmanifest and manifest as Brahman or God has to be inclusive of everything. It is both Nirguna and Saguna. It has qualities and no qualities. There is a dialectical process of reasoning which is employed to express the inexpressible quality of Brahman or God. Essentially Brahman is the substratum of all that exists and being the substratum it is also different from all that exists. There is a trancendent quality of Brahman which is in some way similar to the monotheistic God. But the Upanishads are unequivocal in their claim that language fails to describe Brahman which is infinite (Anantha) and therefore it is depicted by dialectic reasoning like ‘It is far and it is near, it is the lowest and it is the highest’. There are many extremely poetic verses in the Vedantic texts which describe the dialectic ‘qualities’ of Brahman. Zakir Naik states that “The major difference between the Hindus and the Muslims is the apostrophe ‘s’. The Hindu says, “everything is GOD”. The Muslim says, “everything is God’s”, GOD with an Apostrophe ‘s’. If we can solve the difference of the Apostrophe ‘s’, the Hindus and the Muslims will be united.” Well Zakir Naik got it all wrong. The difference between Hinduism and Islam is that the Hindu believes that everything is ‘God as well as everything is God’s’ and Islam believes that everything is just God’s. The nearest point of convergence between Hinduism and Islam can be achieved by equating the qualities of Allah to Nirguna / Nirvikalpa Brahman and that is only after sanitizing the Allah concept of all the localized Arabic mumbo jumbo. However Brahman is much more than a transcendent and monotheistic sky god as it is both Nirguna and Saguna. It is without qualities as well as it has qualities. Because a god if he(or she or it) is worth being called a god has to be all encompassing. From the literal interpretation of Quran we can deduce that in Islam, Allah is separate from the world and Allah as a being lives probably somewhere up in the sky or another dimension. It is a sky god religion. If the God is separate from the world then Allah has to have a separate location and hence it becomes physical and materialistic with space-time coordinates . It is important to understand that the Islamic god is not Omnipresent and this god or Allah exists at some specific location which is distinct from the world created by Allah. In the vedic paradigm this is considered as nonsense as the universe has no beggining and end and God if he or she or it is worth being called a god has to be omnipresent and not localized at some corner of the universe from where this god directs all the actions of the world.
The idolatory in Hinduism is a symbolic representation of the divinity of the whole universe itself and in its essential form this brings about a reverence to the whole of this wonderful acausal creation. The Vedanta as also the Jain and Buddhist scriptures clearly mention that the world is acausal and it has always existed. To point to the origin of the universe at a specific time in history either through a God creating the universe or through some big bang is a logical fallacy as we would end up with the question as to what existed prior to this creation. How can something come out of nothing. Most of the eastern religions have deduced that the world has always existed in some form or the other. This appeals to logical and scientific sense than the stories of Genesis or the Islamic creation myth. Hence we find that the eastern religions hold a great attraction to the scientific and metaphysical philosophers of the west.
Now coming to the fact of Rajneesh calling himself Baghwan or God. Osho Rajneesh has clarified many times that he is not the God who created this world. ‘No not me’ he mentioned jokingly once. “I didn’t create this world with all the strife and suffering. I would have created a better place had I been God”. Surely Rajneesh never equated himself to the Allah, the medieval monarch like god. It would be good if Zakir Naik and his cohorts read some of the works of Osho (I have provided a link to a well know Osho site in the end for all the readers) and then try to counter him in arguments. Also he might do well to study Upanishadic texts in proper context rather than just using polemics and picking up verses which suit the rigid monotheistic belief system.
One key thing that most Islamists forget when criticising Hinduism and eastern traditions is that in the eastern tradition the spiritual path is individualistic and not based on a single holy book or frozen canon or teachings of a prophet. Hindu traditions are unlike the ‘collective salvation deal’ espoused by the Abrahamic religions. This individualistic approach although a great step in religious and cultural evolution of humanity has politically weakened Hinduism and it has become an easy target to the devious designs of islamists and christian evangelist missionaries, who are hell bent on bringing down a greater tradition to their crude level of understanding of religion.
Many of the evangelists and mullahs are in the habit of ridiculing some cultural symbols and personalities of the Hindu religion. Unlike the Monotheistic religions which are history centric i.e history is all important for man’s access to god, the eastern traditions have many incarnations, perennial access to truth and it is independent of history. That is the reason why Hindus call their religion ‘Sanatana Dharma’, eternal religion. To confine the advent of religion to a single prophet or set of prophets receiving revealation at a specific point of history is to limit the omnipotence of the divine. The intent of the Upanishadic religion or dharma is not just following a book but living as per the natural laws of life. A book however sacred or profound cannot capture truth because truth is a unitary moment which has to be discovered and rediscovered from moment to moment. So it is very silly from the perspective of Vedanta that God chooses some messenger like Muhamad or Jesus or Abraham or Noah and reveals to him some revelation and some dose of good social conduct and disappears into oblivion for eternity. Why is Allah so limited that he needs to communicate to only one person and the rest of humanity just need to follow all these codified injunctions. The message of the Upanishads is that God or Brahman cannot be captured in words much less in books. The semetic religious cannon can be aptly described as a set of few rules, universalized and canonized forever. However the dharma in the eastern traditions allows for an individualistic context based interpretation.
The Dharmic value system is evolutionary and changes with the changing times exept for certain universal absolutes which are eternal. Hence in the Hindu tradition you have two classes of scriptures, the Shruthi and the Smrithi. Shruthi is the inspired part and are universal in their appeal and application. Smrithi, means that which comes from memory and it comprises of the social rules of conduct and other mundane aspects of human existence. Shruthi is changeless and smrithi is something which needs to be revisted and adapted to changing times and circumstances. Shruthi is somewhat akin to the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant and Smrithi is similar to the hypothetical imperative. The essential problem with Islam is the mixture of Shruthi and Smrithi in Quran. Hence you find many recommended practices in Quran which were relevant during the time and context of 7th century arabia and which does not make any sense in a multicultural, cosmopolitan, secular and humanistic world. Zakir Naik’s claim that Quran is the greatest book on Art of Living is a ridiculous claim to majority of the people living by humanistic and democratic values. Sri Sri Ravishankar’s ‘Art of Living’ is similar to many modern day Hindu movements and it is an adaptation of yogic principles of health, vedantic theology, value system of modern humanistic psychology and the practices of the human potential movement. Osho Rajneesh contributed a great deal in the evolution of the Human Potential Movement. Islam with its frozen in time approach comes nowhere close to any of these systems in terms of content and quality.
Unlike the essential belief of one supreme being of the monotheistic semetic religions like Islam, the eastern religious traditions have a different paradigm of looking at this rigid structure of belief. There are some eastern traditional lineages which demand a priori belief in a supreme being and this supreme being can be either a male or female or both or neither. There are traditions which believe in the impersonal nature of ultimate reality and it allows multiple representations and multiple access to the one supreme lord. ‘As many people so many paths’ remarked the famous sage of Dakshineshwar, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. This flexibility has been considered and ridiculed as a weakness by many of the monotheistic preachers, however this is the inherent strength of the Hindu tradition. This showcases the inherent liberal and catholic(in the sense of all encompassing) views of the eastern religious paradigm. Monotheism has been rightly stated as My-Theism by several secular critiques of religion like Professor Richard Dawkins.
Some thoughts by Osho on brahman and god - “Brahman has nothing to do with the Christian or muslim idea of God. Brahman means godliness, the divineness that pervades the whole existence… the whole, the holiness of the whole.”. In his own words Osho claimed that he is God based on the following “Samadhi begins with subjective awareness and culminates in realization of our divine self, the all permeating godliness - within and without. This is the state in which the ‘Rishis’ in the east declared ‘Aham Brahmasmi’, the state in which sufi mystic Mansur declared ‘Ana’l Haq’, the state in which Jesus says, ‘I and my Father are one’. This state is called ‘Sambodhi’, enlightenment, divine realization”. When the tombstone of Osho has the message “Osho Never Born and Never Died”, it is a mention to the immortal and unconditioned Consciousness - the Self of all or ‘Brahman’. It is not the physical body of Osho as the physical body is perishable and what is not perishable is consciousness the substratum of all that exists. This Consciousness has no origin and no end, it has no ‘adi’ and ‘antya’. When Osho or eastern mystics affirm that they are God, they mean that everything else is as well God and the individual bodies are like waves in the ocean and the self, which is unconditioned awareness is the ocean itself.
Our ‘scholar of comparative religion’ Zakir Naik accuses Rajneesh of proclaiming himself the God in the Semetic / abrahamic / Islamic religious sense. If these scholars of comparative religions can make up a good study of Rajneesh then hopefully they can come up with some wise arguments than just picking him up on some silly semantics. This is the problem with Muslim scholars, they are just too caught in words, symbols, obedience and adherence to arcane medieval texts that make their minds so closeted. But still they have the nerve or rather the foolhardiness to proclaim that Islam is a scientific religion.If you are a scholar of comparative religion or philosophy the first pre-requisite is to understand the paradigms, models and cultural symbols of that particular religion or school of thought. Without this understanding the interpretation of a particular religion will remain parochial and not true to the spirit. Finally I would like to request all the readers to consider and reflect on two of the greatest sentences from Rig Veda, the oldest known religious scripture in the world - “Truth is one but wise men describe it in many ways” and “Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides”. Let’s not limit the noble thoughts to come from a book or a few more books.

30 comments:

India Mahesh said...

Simply Brilliant my friend. Wonderful way to put it. Zakir's ass might just be on fire, should only he read it.

Shreesh said...

I have seen it and it looks like you have seen it too. Zakir Naik is really getting monotonous and boring in his speeches. Sri sri Ravishankar Ji has lots of carisma no doubt however i felt he was really on a different level than zakir naik. when mr naik finished his speech with this quote and that quote. Ravishankar Ji rose and started off with POthi pad pad jag mua pandit bahaya na koi ,dhai akhar prem ke padhe so pandit hoye.
what zakir naik was doing was debate and was ravishankar jo was trying was to build a bridge.
On the topic of reincarnation Zakir naik could not give his view and said IAM ANSWERING ONLY FROM WHATS GIVEN IN THE SCRIPTURES , where as ravi shankar ji said abt the books of brain weiss and his research, and his own exampal[ ravishankr ji is said to have known reciting geeta right from the age of 3n half] And in some of his talks OSHO has also given references about his past lives.
So on this nither zakir naik nor any muslim has any answer. I liked ur article,and i love osho too.listning to him is joy.
I do feel that this article should carry the point i mentioned here.
With Regards
Shreesh

DEEPAK KAMAT said...

That would be incorporated.

Tejashwi Aaryan Mishra said...

excellent knowledge.... gr8 ...

i liked it ... i too hav interest in spirituality and philosophy... n i find it v-interesting and knowledgeable ..

tks alot...
incorporate some more eastern doctrine thoughts in same simple and yet complete way...

Anonymous said...

"All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: 'O horse, you are, protecter of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protecter or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband.'" - Yajur Veda 23/19.

"After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: 'O Horse, i extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception'" - Yajur Veda 23/20.

The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: "This horse may release semen in me." -Yajur Veda 23/20.

Then the host, while praying to the horse says:

"O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this penis makes women happy and lively" - 23/21.

In the vedic age, the customs of polygamy was prevalent. Each wife spent most of the time devising ways and means to become favourite to her husband. Clear references are available in 'Rig Veda', (14/45),' and Atharva Veda (3/81)'

namratappt said...

Right, Sri Sri Ravishankar was trying to build a bridge and that's what the intellectuals should be doing, but pervert like Deepak Kamat are trying to destroy those bridges, Deepak has a dirty mind, if anyone wants a proof please contact me and I will show you the mails he sent me, full of perversion. He is really full of filth.

namratappt said...

I am Namrata Misra, Deepak Kamat is a pervert, full of filth.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Kamat,

I feel your very intelligent, educated and very knowledgeable about Hinduism.
From your blog and postings one can notice that you really have a problem with the Muslims in particular. What my humble suggestion would be is to ask you to throw an open challenge to Dr Zakir Naik of irf and peace TV in front of thousands maybe millions of spectators on a live challenge and debate this issue.

Am sure people like us who are confused secular desis will have a proper understanding of the whole conflict.

Thnx
Tan

p.s- please note that i ws not able to post this on ur website. i think the comment page has to fixed for errors.

Naren said...

Deepak,

Great piece. Must have taken you quite some time to write it down. But it is really good to see some intellectuals like yourself making the effort to send out a strong and different view!
I am sure I dont need to say this but kindly ignore the people who criticize you in very cheap language. They just choose to be blind to the truth.

Anonymous said...

Intellectual? ha ha ha ha.. only fools can call such a pervert an intellectual.

Kindly do not drag honourable Sri Sri Ravishankar to your communal arguments.

Anonymous said...

hai deepak,do u know that god is not a concept,concept is intelectual understanding,the truth is that is beyond all intelectual understading, both ravi& zakir is not enlighten personalities, god(truth)-a deep experience beyond all question &answers

Anonymous said...

Only a fool like Deepak can waste days in writing such fluff. Osho never had any faith in Hinduism, and he thoroughly criticised all the Vedas and the Bhagwad Gita. And RRS puppets like Deepak should involve honourable Ravi ji, he is much beyong your filthy communal politics. I can just laugh at people who understand what Deepak writes. By the way I have spent time with Rajnish as well as Ravi ji, both of them are humans first and then anything else, but people like Deepak just know hatred and work against the teachings of bhagwan Ram and bhawan Krishna too. Shame on you. You can never be called a Hindu.

Deepak said...

A pity that you didn't recognise Hinduism despite being with two spiritual stalwarts.

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

Deepak spends months writing his boring arguments and people don't even give a minute to read all this.

Ha haa haaa haa

No comments in three years.

ha haa he heee heee

Che said...

Hi Mr Deepak Kamat,

I am Arjun. I appreciate your insights on various philosophies. They seem to be very practical and plain truth. I can a say scientific (Call a spade, a spade) view. However, one small concern is you mentioning about the materialist behavior of Osho which gave rise to greed, He doing no practical work for the welfare of the society. on the outside it all looks that he talks eastern philosophy and wears a diamond studded wrist watch, so he is materialistic. He is materialist, but not in the general sense. Go a little deeper into this part and you ll see the reason behind 90 rolls royces. Secondly he is not a government servant to do welfare to the society. He was downright against the society, religions, govt. Real Spiritual leaders will do nothing. They will simply put forth their ideas. ideas that are not everyday ideas, an idea that can change the world forever for good. They simply say "I did this, i was rewarded.. i ll share it with you, try it.. You will be rewarded too.." its all about we getting connected to them.

Anonymous said...

Dr zakir naik is nothing more than a parrot...he is not a man of experience...

Anonymous said...

wonderful post...absolutely extrapolated and not even a single line is trivial or zilch.
i always wanted to collect points to argue DR.ZAKIR NAIK's points and none of them except you could provide this... ur , undoubtedly a prolific intellectual person,whose thoughts aren't confined only on a dimension displayed by white sheet.
Aniruddh

Anonymous said...

well i appreciate ur understanding of eastern religion view... but u said osho sayings some are materialistic...a man can't enter into meditation untill he do not satisfy with the world...so a person try to enjoy the world soon or later he feels(if he intellectual)the world is nothing for him to attract.. then is the time to enter into meditation
sry for my english and sry if i blame u......:)

Anonymous said...

Debate it not here, but prove it to front line.

Anonymous said...

Very nicely presented.. That dumb-ass Zakir Naik should read this and start questioning where he came from? After all most of his kind folks in our country have their share of the sad history of their ancestors mostly being converted by sword or the women raped by Mughal Soldiers.
I guess then he will stop parroting verse no. chapter no. so and so .. and do some meaningful self-introspection on his spiritual path.

Regards

Anonymous said...

Right bro..

If Zakir would have understood Vedanta then he cannnot follow Islam..because Vedant is the end of knowledge...above all religion..

Anonymous said...

Just because u did not understand doesn't mean the person on stage speaks nonsense. It may also simply mean u r not intelligent enough to understand something profound.

Unknown said...

Lovely.. well said. I appreciate that. Love u. Osho is osho. Let the world not recognise. His essence shall linger on and hopefully lead to a new and transformed humanity. It's all in the power of idea. It's upto individuals if they use the idea. No one can make anyone do anything and spirituality is the path that one can walk only alone so osho was very wise to just give ideas and share his experiences rather than wasting time in trying to change people. Because change comes from within and nobody goes within except oneself. Love u osho

diksha banka said...

Lovely.. well said. I appreciate that. Love u. Osho is osho. Let the world not recognise. His essence shall linger on and hopefully lead to a new and transformed humanity. It's all in the power of idea. It's upto individuals if they use the idea. No one can make anyone do anything and spirituality is the path that one can walk only alone so osho was very wise to just give ideas and share his experiences rather than wasting time in trying to change people. Because change comes from within and nobody goes within except oneself. Love u osho

Anonymous said...

You are absolutely an idiot. You have greed in yourself and that Is the reason You see it in others. Second thing You are conditioned with the thoughts like if You are beggar then only You are spiritual. Whats wrong with being materialistic??
simply foolish

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SOURABH JAIN said...

Yes all you said is very right deepak i rarely find people like you having such a deep insoght. Except that you called osho's work materialistic thats the only thing i felt you were wrong. Its your viewpoint but if you get to understand him more..youl again admire him. Its my thinking that had he not had those cars he would not be famous and people would not have come to him and only once they came they got truth. Also he wanted to destroy the belief that gurus cherish poverty. Also that you cant anyone unless he helps himself, you can give poor money but thats not forever but you give him right teaching that will make him man or else youl make him begger. I never saw any person even replicate half the things osho says. He was a spiritual genius. Thats all is required in life.

Anonymous said...

But I have admired his works and I stop my admiration when the symptoms of greed and materialism becomes evident in his teaching.

This is it Deepak in this article...you don't understand osho at all...and whatever you praise him for is picking ur likes...as far as Zakir and Sri Sri are concerned they r fools of our present India...